4: Ecash Fixes 402 w/ Calle

“I don’t believe in Utopia anymore. I’m too old for that.”

Calle & Gigi philosophize about nuts.

Books and articles mentioned:
- Who Owns the Future?
- The Cathedral And The Bazaar
- Cryptography is Not Enough
- Bitcoin is Time

In this dialogue:
- Where is the Utopia that the internet promised?
- “Neither nostalgia nor utopia”
- Net Neutrality is a moral stance
- Where did the internet go wrong?
- Tech as a tool; is tech always neutral?
- Technology that increases agency VS tech that enslaves
- Competition vs Symbiosis
- “Who will run the mints?”
- “Anyone” can use it vs “everyone” can use it
- Centralizing vs. Monopolizing
- Bitcoin has an ethos baked in (You Shall Not Steal)
- Passive internet vs active internet
- Agency in cyberspace, and how to maximize it
- Blinded custodian vs regular custodian
- User data is a liability
- Obscura / Mullvad / Silent.Link as obvious early adopters
- Run your own ISP - Tollgate
- Cryptography is Not Enough
- Bitcoin is Time
- Time requires heat
- Zero-knowledge service providers
- Electronic Cash vs Digital Cash (CBDCs)
- Credit requires KYC, KYC implies outside enforcement
- Writings on Micropayments by Nick Szabo
- eCash fixes 402, obviously
- Who Owns the Future?
- “You are the product” vs “Subscription Hell”
- “Hello old friend!!!”
- Cathedral vs Bazaar
- Why paywalls suck
- Information wants to be free
- "Markets become absurd as supply approaches infinity."
- eCash + AI = match made in heaven
- #LearnToCode vs #LearnToPrompt
- Scarcity in cyberspace: compute, storage, networking
- Zero-Knowledge compute & zero-knowledge proofs
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
- https://github.com/AbdelStark/cashu-zk-engine
- Cairo: https://github.com/starkware-libs/cairo
- MCP https://github.com/AbdelStark/bitcoin-mcp
- MCP DVM: https://github.com/r0d8lsh0p/n8n-AI-agent-DVM-MCP-client
- DVMCP: https://mcp.so/server/dvmcp
- Olas & Nutzaps (NIP-60, NIP-61)
- Bitcoin is not only the internet of money, but it is the money of the internet
- Re-building the internet archive on top of nostr
- Bitrot & 404
- Resurrection markets & marketplace for hashes via Blossom
- Hugs 🫂

Related dialogues:

• #03: Data Ownership is a Lie w/ Pablo
• #12: The Windy Lawnmower Stuff w/ Pete
• #20: Archipelago Meshtadels w/ Shadrach
• #29: State of the Mint and Mind w/ Calle

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