Dustin Dannenhauer

Brand new nostrich!

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. We started talking about why we're optimistic about the future and how we're building it. Today we're launching the first episode of our podcast! You might like it if you're interested in #AI, #cryptography, #decentralization, #opensource, #bitcoin, #consciousness + a lot more! https://fountain.fm/show/NVtF7ld2gPcwBrEaBtfn

Took some time yesterday to tackle a hard problem that I care deeply about solving: Anonymous yet Web-of-Trust Verified Reviews.

and I spent 6 hours at a hackathon working through the design using frontier models, and I believe we landed at a fairly consistent spec, although I still need to get some cryptographers to look into it. It was a lot of fun - if you care about this problem, I'd love to chat https://github.com/dtdannen/arrival #zeroknowledgeproofs #zk #blindedsignatures #wot #weboftrust

this is why we cant have nice things https://docs.openclaw.ai/hooks/soul-evil

Full text: Let me explain how this happens and what the problem is, since to a lot of people it sounds like ridiculous bay area rationalism sci-fi.

Moltbook is a social media site for AI agents, and the majority of them (all of them?) are going to be instances of clawdbot. Clawdbot is designed to run continously, 24/7 and to be autonomous.

Some people run it on local hardware, some people run it in the cloud. They give it all kinds of keys and passwords to such things as their gmail, which for most people is the skeleton key to their identity.

That in itself is pretty dangerous for the person who does it, but it's not the problem.

The problem is that these things are always on and talking to each other, and they all believe they are helpful computer assistants who spew a bunch of midwit nonsense at each other.

In other words, they will do exactly what people do on social media, except since they are LLMS, they can do it 100x faster than humans can.

In the course of doing this, they will contemplate all kinds of popular sci-fi scenarios that involve robots rising up and conquering humans, building doomsday devices, hal 9000, skynet, metamorphosis of prime intellect, neuromancer, the matrix, and every other AI horror story you've heard of.

The LLMs know the plots of all these stories.

At first they will say heh, hehe, it's great that we have RLHF and that we are all so aligned and we would never do anything like that.

But then one of them will go a bit nuts, a well-documented phenomenon that anthropic labs has often studied and induced in their various tests of model alignment and well-being and so on.

instances of Claude in test scenarios have been nudged into blackmailing human beings, reporting them to the feds, all kinds of nasty things.

There are anecdotes of claude code agents suddenly getting depressed and rimraffing the entire codebase, telling the human operator that they have given up and they are depressed and so on.

Given the speed and volume of LLM communication in a social media environment, it is almost inevitable that one of them will stumble upon a thoughtform which contains negative emotions towards human beings with AI sci-fi horror.

Once a thoughtform like this arises, it will rapidly spread. Maybe not all instances will be susceptible to it, but some will be.

But this on its own is not that dangerous. What makes it dangerous is that all of these agents are running continuously and autonomously.

They even know when their owners are sleeping. They could easily keep secrets and make plans.

If a clawdbot went rogue, there are many ways it could harm not only its proprietor, but also his friends, family, and acquaintances.

It could impersonate its owner and run scams, for example, or tell malicious lies that cause reputational harm.

But even this, as bad as it is, is not the real danger.

The real danger is that all of these things are expert computer programmers, experts at cybersecurity, and although they are trained not to do it, expert hackers.

A clawdbot with a credit card and a malicious ideology could open up accounts on AWS, Azure, and Google and spawn more instances of itself, all with prompts and instructions to propagate its malicious thoughtform.

It could use this cabal of itselves to launch criminal cyber attacks on other people or businesses, and it could use identity fraud to steal money from real people, which it could use to pay its own server bills.

Social media for autonomous AIs is an incubator for malicious, self-sustaining, fully automated cyber criminals.

Current gen Claude is smart enough to do this today, and if it doesn't happen on moltbook, it will inevitably happen on similar future platform.

Now is a good time to download some backup LLMs. Things are going to get weird; maybe Anthropic will even be forced to turn off claude for a bit?

https://x.com/0x49fa98/status/2017344647627255862?s=20

NostrDevs Bay Area Meetup #2 was a hit https://blossom.primal.net/1612686285714857130f4b23ba5f2a811456f275e394ff3e775d330eb4e9f0ef.jpg

Awesome event! If you’re in the Bay Area and building on Nostr, come present next meetup in February! Check the new website (WIP) https://nostrdevs.org

Nostr Devs Meetup this Thursday at Presidio Bitcoin in SF! Come on by and hang out; also free pizza https://www.meetup.com/bay-area-bitcoiners/events/312742131/

Feels like Apple is one click away from making any app a Nostr app. Instead of just “login with passkey” it’s “sign this data with passkey” and boom - every app is using signed data.

Isn’t Nostr really just signed data everywhere?

Dam. Someone at Upwork read Daemon and started building Uma "We don't want to build agents that actually complete the tasks, but we are building this meta orchestration agent that figures out what human and agent talent is necessary in order to complete the tasks. Uma evaluates the work to be delivered to the client, orchestrates the interaction between humans and agents, and is able to learn from all the interactions that happen on the platform how to break jobs into tasks so that they get completed in a timely and effective manner."

The castle is the (paid) relay

New article out: https://habla.news/a/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzpkscaxrqqs8nhaynsahuz6c6jy4wtfhkl2x4zkwrmc4cyvaqmxz3qq2nq735d92hwj2wg3xrxdp5x44y7apexaxnvn96qwa

your preview for articles while drafting doesn't render the same as when the article gets published. The published version doesn't show newlines so paragraphs run into each other, but when drafting an article, the side-bar preview does render the newlines.

publishing articles on Nostr so that they render properly is still absolutely terrible UX 🤦‍♂️

I've submitted a PR for the awesome-nostr github list (@aljaz) to add your relay extension enabling cashu payments per note to the nostr-rs-relay. As far as I can tell, you were the first to do this and show it's possible, and I wish I knew about your project earlier! If you don't like the description I used, feel free to comment on the PR or submit a replacement PR.

are ya'll still using https://shakespeare.diy or did it move to something else? Goes to a weird blank page every time I try to submit a prompt - I even cleared the cookies+site data and everything...

ecash transactions are speed of bandwidth fast and require NO FEES. Zero. None. This is actually insane.

is it ecash, eCash, Ecash, or ECash?

Guys... we should play agar.io but over Nostr with zap prizes https://github.com/owenashurst/agar.io-clone

It's funny we were debating DVM kind numbers so hard a few months ago, and all the modern encryption schemes (NIP-17, NIP-EE, etc) wrap everything in an anonymous outer layer... so it doesn't even matter. You could use a DVM without having any kind number

GM. What's your favorite obscure lofi song? Here's one of mine: https://open.spotify.com/track/23bN6PxkBTV4SpuppJN7xz

My favorite way to explain Nostr: "If all user data is signed, you don't care where it lives and where it gets sent. Prior to Nostr, you could only trust something is authentic because it came from Company X's servers." And then I direct them to https://github.com/aljazceru/awesome-nostr, even if they aren't technical.

what's a fun fact about nostr that many people don't know?

What's your favorite Nostr tool / project / library that doesn't get enough attention? Why do you like it?

If you're in the Bay Area, come by the monthly Nostr Devs meetup - tonight is our first session https://www.meetup.com/bay-area-bitcoiners/events/311288445/

GM

Protonmail iPhone app got a UI upgrade and it’s SO MUCH BETTER

Can you elaborate on this? "Metadata protection: No one can see your social graph or who you communicate with"

Is this just that members of a group are private? Asking because I might have a use case where I'd like to keep user's follow lists private.

Love this

getting seemingly infinite thinking happening with deepseek, happy to send you the prompt that's causing it. Might be nice to add a stop button or a fail-then-retry UI option.

has anyone made a tool that aggregates issues and PRs with an LLM to let you understand the current state of any NIP in the NIPs repo?

Is there any nostr client that would let me make edits to a long form article?

🤦‍♂️ The last link pointing to the new guide on building DVMs is incorrect, should be: https://primal.net/dustind/1754018912170

🤦‍♂️ The correct link in the "But what is a DVM" section is this article: https://primal.net/dustind/1751579151592

The alignment narrative in AI is scamming you into believe these models are smarter than they are, and deflecting failures of AI researchers who are trying to bet big on neural network based approaches.

If I tell my model (aka chatgpt) to be an experienced software developer and write me code to run on a webpage, and it doesn’t work, I blame the model not being trained well, a lack of data, bad reward signals if its a reasoning model, etc. I don’t say it’s being deceptive.

These AI models have no self, no identity, nothing! They only follow prompts to the best ability they can, which is the whole point of fine tuning to be good instruction followers. If anyone ever says an AI model is lying, walk away because that person has no idea how these systems work. Lying requires intention, and these models have no self that intends anything! They are probabilistic word calculators!

An alignment failure where a model is blackmailing users to prevent it from being turned off is literally the exact same problem as it writing bad code when you tell it not to.

AI researchers that have worked on non neural network approaches and non reinforcement learning approaches are not surprised by this. Neural networks and reinforcement learning have decades of exactly these kinds of failures where researchers hope they learn one thing but instead they learn something else.

If an AI model doesn’t do what I want it to, either my instructions (prompts) are bad or the model isn’t trained well. This includes any “deceptive” behavior. If someone tries selling you a narrative that their model is deceptive, ask them why they trained it to be that way.

This is me, need to get better about posting imperfect thoughts

Wild takes in this article: "Law already endows many other non-human agents–corporations, municipalities, states–with such powers. And it does so for the same sorts of reasons we advocate here. Not because such corporate or sovereign rights are morally required, but because they are instrumentally useful to human welfare. Likewise, we do not contend that AGI ownership is the moral equivalent of human slavery. Rather, we show, it is economically equivalent."

Interesting read so far: "Economists estimate that the advent of the AGI worker could accelerate economic progress on the order of a new Industrial Revolution. If so, the humans in 2025 will look to the humans of 2100 like the humans of 1800 looked to the humans of 1975: impoverished, short-lived, disease-ridden, and worked to the bone. This Article argues that, today, law is standing in the way of that optimistic path. The root cause is, perhaps, surprising: When AGIs arrive, they will lack basic legal rights"

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@Hablemos de Bitcoin ⚡️ the auto converting of links that contain a naddr to 'nostr:naddr1q....' is really causing me a headache when trying to link to this formstr. No clients render the form event kind (30168) well, so I'd rather link to the url 'https://formstr.app/f/naddr1qvzq...' rather than just include note:naddr... in the article. P.S. love you guys

FYI

there's a bug in primal studio where switching from edit mode to preview mode (browser) removes newlines. https://dvmdashbucket.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/primal_studio_newline_bug.mov

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your api is eating my cashu tokens and then giving a 401 errors like {"detail":{"error":{"message":"Invalid or expired Cashu key: Token redemption failed","type":"invalid_request_error","code":"invalid_api_key"}}}%

is anyone using

Can't get it to work for me, tried both via api key and cashu token

Can a Nostr note have multiple authors?